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This programme contains scenes which
some viewers may find upsetting,

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some strong language
and deals with sexual abuse.

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I really wanted to live in LA.

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I wanted to find an agency
to start modelling.

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This is the building
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I think it was the eighth floor.

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It's almost like I can see myself,
like, outside of my body.

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I've noticed I do that, though.

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Like, if there's, like,
some sort of trauma involved,

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I really do, like, just detach.

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Jared Leto.

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He was standing...

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..to the left of those double doors.

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My mom noticed him
as we were going up the stairs.

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I kind of saw him look over.

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He hung up the phone and just, like,
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He brought up
that he had won a major award.

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Does anybody want to try it out
for size?

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You can, if anybody wants to fondle.

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SCATTERED LAUGHTER

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Yeah, here.

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He was like, "Oh, yeah,
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"Definitely. You're so beautiful."

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And he asked for my email

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so he can invite me and my mom
to his, like, Oscar party.

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I bet this is a first -
the first person to ever...

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..give their Oscar away for...

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SCATTERED LAUGHTER

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I was 16 at the time

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and he was 42.

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He did email me
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it turns into this whole,
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saying all these, like, things
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Thank you very much
and congratulations.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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I was... I was 17.

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As a 14-year-old girl
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..with a little crush on him.

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to see Jared Leto.

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I think that was the first time
I ever met a celebrity.

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"Oh, my God. Do you know
who that is?! That's Jared Leto!"

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PAPARAZZI CLAMOUR

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He had invited me to his house.

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Asked me to come meet him
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"Jared Leto cordially invites you
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Sending an invite out
to a lot of models.

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I ran to the autograph table.

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You know, most young girls saw him
very much as a heart-throb.

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Wait, but...

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There's a whole population
who don't know who he truly is.

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You really just chose to take
your power and abuse it.

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Alarms started going off in my head.

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"This is not what I came here for."

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"By the time I get back, I would
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"It doesn't matter
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"It doesn't matter
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And that's when I realised
he was in his early 30s.

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He was 34.

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He was 42 at the time.

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"If you're going to sleep here,

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"you're going to wake up
with a dick in your ass."

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People are like, "What did you hope
to accomplish with your book?"

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Two things. I want to be proud of it
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for a little while.

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So, Jared Leto is an actor

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at the very highest realms
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PAPARAZZI CLAMOUR

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He won an Oscar for his role

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in which he played a trans woman.

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And the Oscar
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..Jared Leto,
Dallas Buyers Club.

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CHEERING

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That sealed his status

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as a household name

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and one of the power players
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He started out

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as a very well-known TV actor

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in My So-Called Life.

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His role, Jordan Catalano, was...

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..the school dreamboat.

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A generation of women -
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were mesmerised by those blue eyes.

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a high-profile actor,

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he's also an entrepreneur.

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And he's an investor.

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Uber, Airbnb, Spotify, Reddit...

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I've always been entrepreneurial

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ever since I sold dope as a kid.
INTERVIEWER CHUCKLES

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He's associated with fashion houses,

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and, also, he's a really

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successful rock star,

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with his band
Thirty Seconds To Mars.

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CHEERING

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I think the first time
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was watching Requiem For A Dream

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when I was a teenager.

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I always thought you were
the most beautiful girl I ever seen.

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Really?

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I thought he was incredible.

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It was a film
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Air Mail is a digital weekly
based in New York.

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It does a bit of everything.

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True crime,

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arts and culture.

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I've also done investigative work.

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I follow this DJ called Allie Teilz,
on Instagram.

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she posted, on her Instagram,

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a screenshot of a Facebook status

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she'd posted originally in 2012.

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She went on to say
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she was 17 at the time,

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and that he was aware of her age.

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She has over 100,000 followers.

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She started getting
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from women who'd had allegedly
similar experiences with Jared,

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which she was then posting.

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I was refreshing her story
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and I was quite stunned by the
wealth of responses that she got.

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The experiences ranged
from inappropriate behaviour

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to assault.

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It captured my attention and
I started looking into the story.

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I'm a documentary producer
and journalist.

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I've been making documentaries
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..often looking into
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We saw Allie's post
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every day.

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If all of this was true,

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these were allegations
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about a very big player
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So, we immediately
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who wrote in to Allie.

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I managed to track them down.

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I was putting down the phone

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and I felt a little bit
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Among the allegations,
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she was 18 at the time.

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and he got naked

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and grabbed her hand
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"I want you to spit on it."

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I gathered all my research,

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put together the story.

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Ultimately, nine women contributed.

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which is why most of them requested
anonymity.

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We did send a right to reply
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and they responded,

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expressly denying every allegation.

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worldwide.

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The Guardian,

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Italian national newspaper
The Corriere della Sera.

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Actor and musician Jared Leto

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has been accused of sexual
misconduct and predatory behaviour.

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Allegedly...
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teenage girls.

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I saw it was reported that
Disney was holding crisis talks.

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Um, he was meant to be playing
the lead in Tron: Ares.

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I would like you to meet Ares,

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the ultimate soldier.

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surrounding the marketing campaign.

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It was a big deal.

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And I really thought, you know,
"This is going to...

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"This is going to have
some real-life repercussions for...

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"..for Jared."

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this was the first time
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alleging that they had
been sexually abused by Leto.

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We watched and waited to see
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So, as the days went on...

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"Jared Leto allegations"

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or just googling "Jared Leto".

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I started seeing other news
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I thought, "Oh, wow."
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I was... I guess I was disappointed.

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I was disappointed

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the world didn't take
my victims' allegations seriously.

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Within weeks, Leto started doing
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It's been a great night so far.

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..culminating in an appearance
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as a promotional stunt for the film.

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A really uncomfortable truth
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there's now calculations being made

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I think that calculation got made
with Jared Leto.

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"We can quash it, we can ride it
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"and, six months from now, or,
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"and suck up all the oxygen
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We were still working on our
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40 women had written into Allie.

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Nine women had gone on the record
with Air Mail.

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how widespread was this...

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We started digging deeper...

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..and that's when we found Etta.

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The first email,

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he just sent an image
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to a celebration."

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I said, "I thank you for the invite,
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"even though I'm sure
it would have been fun."

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And he responded, "Text me,"

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and gave me his number.

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how weird it was

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to be invited by a 42-year-old man,
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I know, for sure, if not then,

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I did tell him a couple days
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We texted for a couple days
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PHONE VIBRATES

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He never would call me
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I think he did his best
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Like, at first, it was, like,
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"Oh, how did it go?"

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But it quickly moved into, um...

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"Oh, well, you're a virgin.
Do you have any kinks?

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"Like, what are you interested in?

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"Oh, can you squirt?"

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He did, at least once, mention
him and I having sex at some point.

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Um, I remember feeling,
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A little anxious,

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a little uncomfortable,

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but, like, at the time,
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or, like, putting boundaries up.

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He asked me if he could give
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I just remember him, you know,

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telling me that
it was, like, a business thing.

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This guy, he told me
his name was Christian,

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he would call me a lot.

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He wanted to...

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..hire me to shoot porn.

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And he was like, "You know, it
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"We'll work it out.

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a really nice house in the hills.

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"You know, we'll have,
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"and have them, like,
come all over you."

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And because he would also call me
from a private number,

258
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if it was going to be Jared or him.

259
00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,960
They both were really obsessed

260
00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,200
with mentioning the possibility
of squirting.

261
00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,360
Both of them, yeah.

262
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I think
it would not be that surprising

263
00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,720
<font color="
you know?

264
00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,000
And how old are you? You.

265
00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,280
17. Come here.

266
00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,560
Come here.

267
00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,960
Give me a hug, first of all.

268
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CHEERING

269
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LAUGHTER

270
00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,440
OK, you can let go now.

271
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<font color="

272
00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,720
Kate. Where are you from?

273
00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,720
LA. You're from LA?

274
00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,520
"That's what I like
about high school girls."

275
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LAUGHTER

276
00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,880
"I keep getting older,
they just stay the same age.

277
00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,440
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278
00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,600
"All right, all right, all right."

279
00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,240
There have been allegations
swirling around Leto for decades.

280
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All the way back in 2005,

281
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there was an article
in the New York Post

282
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alleging that Leto was approaching

283
00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,400
<font color="
at a hotel in New York,

284
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and texting them.

285
00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,440
But what we were really surprised by

286
00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,440
was just how many allegations
actually exist online.

287
00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,560
I counted around 120 allegations

288
00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,120
relating to highly concerning
behaviour

289
00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:05,920
<font color="

290
00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,880
heard about
or experienced themselves,

291
00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,160
and some of these allegations dated
right back to the early 2000s.

292
00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,200
OK, well, down memory lane, right?

293
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,680
I have a few photos here of...

294
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,160
..back in that day,
<font color="

295
00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,160
Oh, my gosh.
You guys remember pictures?!

296
00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,680
Everything's digital now.

297
00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,640
There's no such thing.

298
00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,200
OK. This is definitely high school.

299
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,640
I recognise my high school
that I used to go to.

300
00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,000
Oh, my gosh.
<font color="

301
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,400
Like, right around the time
when I met him.

302
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,840
I look like such a baby.

303
00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,080
Looking back on these pictures,
it's...

304
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,720
..it's so crazy to...

305
00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,880
I mean, I look...
Yeah, I look so young.

306
00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,080
<font color="
free spirit type of person.

307
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,760
And I still, actually,
to this day, one of those

308
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,480
"act first, think second", you know?

309
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,360
Just try things and then,
if it works out, great,

310
00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:30,200
and if it doesn't,
<font color="

311
00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,560
In 2002, when I was 17,

312
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,400
I had this job at Planet Hollywood

313
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,040
in Las Vegas.

314
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,920
I worked in the mall.

315
00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,840
A group of guys came in.

316
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,760
One of them looked familiar.

317
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,800
So, I said, "Oh, you look familiar.

318
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,000
And he was like, "Well,
<font color="

319
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,120
And I said, "Oh, I went to..."
You know, this high school.

320
00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:58,480
And he was like,
"Oh, no way. Me too."

321
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,520
His friends started laughing

322
00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,920
and they were like,
"He didn't go to your high school."

323
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,520
<font color="

324
00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,680
"This is Jared Leto."

325
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,320
They're coughing.

326
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,680
"He has this movie coming out
called Panic Room..."

327
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,560
Nobody's going to die, man!

328
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,920
Will you please have the balls
to follow through with something?

329
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,680
<font color="
we actually just started this band,

330
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,600
"called Thirty Seconds To Mars."

331
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,640
"Oh, cool." Like, "That's awesome.

332
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,080
"You know, you're famous."

333
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,960
I still didn't know who he was,
right?

334
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,040
So you were saying,
<font color="

335
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,000
So I was just showing them around

336
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,720
and taking them through the store,

337
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,440
and it was just, you know, like a...

338
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,440
..you know, like a fun, casual vibe.
That's when Jared Leto was like,

339
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,000
"Hey, like, you seem really cool."

340
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,600
You know,
<font color="

341
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,240
Like,
"Would you like to hang out later?"

342
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,160
"Yeah." You know, I'm like,
"Oh, cool."

343
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,080
Like, he's a celebrity, right?
I'm 17.

344
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,520
This is a happy fucking day.

345
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,720
I think that was the first time
<font color="

346
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,440
And so I was going to meet up
with him after work,

347
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,000
and he asked me to come meet him
in his hotel.

348
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,440
It was really close to my work

349
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,680
and I pulled in,
and it was this dingy motel.

350
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,560
I didn't think much of it.

351
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,560
<font color="
"Oh, he's still getting ready

352
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:11,880
"and we're going to meet up there

353
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,960
"and then we're going to go out
afterwards."

354
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,960
So I knocked on the door, went in...

355
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,840
..I sat on the bed and he was like,

356
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,800
"Hey, yeah, I'm just going to hop
<font color="

357
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,160
"Do you mind waiting?"

358
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,360
And I was like, "No, of course not."
Like, "Go finish getting ready."

359
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,600
One...

360
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,320
Sorry. This is where it gets hard.

361
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,120
Oh, sorry. I've got to, like,
get myself together.

362
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,840
<font color="
for him to get ready and...

363
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,320
..and he called me

364
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,600
and he was like,
"Hey, like, come in here

365
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,520
"so we can talk
while I'm, you know, in the shower."

366
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,240
And so I went into the bathroom.

367
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,000
I don't think
<font color="

368
00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,800
And when he opened
the shower curtain...

369
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,760
..he started kissing me.

370
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,000
Uh, and then he grabbed my hand.

371
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,360
I don't even know
how to say this part,

372
00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:29,960
but he grabbed my hand and he...

373
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,160
<font color="
touching himself with my hand -

374
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,280
like, using my hand to, I guess,
masturbate himself with my hand.

375
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,680
One...

376
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,560
..and, um...

377
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,760
..alarms started going off
in my head, like,

378
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,160
"What are you doing here?"

379
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,120
<font color="
what you came here for."

380
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:51,800
And in that moment, I...

381
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,640
..I definitely realised
that I was not in a great situation.

382
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,800
You know,
I'm alone in this room and...

383
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,320
Like, I didn't know
what was going to happen, right?

384
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,600
<font color="
"OK, I'm going to go."

385
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,880
He got out, put a towel on.

386
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,520
There's a weird thing
that I-I always remembered.

387
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,240
He looked... He went outside
and I remember he, like,

388
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,280
specifically, like, looked
<font color="

389
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,120
Almost, like, seeing
if there was anybody around...

390
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,480
..before he let me out of the room.

391
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,840
We didn't... We didn't have internet
in our hands, right?

392
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,320
And I was at work.

393
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,080
I got off work.

394
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,600
I met up with him.

395
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,360
<font color="
about him till

396
00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,520
after everything, when I went home,

397
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,000
and then I looked him up on...
like, a computer, you know?

398
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,760
And that's when I realised
he was in his early 30s.

399
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,160
You know, I'm in my 40s now...

400
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,480
<font color="

401
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,080
..my whole life...

402
00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,520
..I had viewed this event as...

403
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,120
..I was a stupid girl...

404
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,120
..that did something stupid,
did something dumb...

405
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,920
..and so this bad thing happened.

406
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,520
But of course it did, because...

407
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,800
<font color="

408
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,160
..it's on me.

409
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,800
I don't think
I ever, till recently, ever...

410
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,720
..blamed him.

411
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,360
I always blamed me.

412
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:59,680
In 2005, Thirty Seconds To Mars
release an album

413
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,560
called A Beautiful Lie,

414
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,680
<font color="

415
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,280
The Kill,

416
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,680
which was incredibly popular...

417
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,600


418
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,760


419
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,440


420
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:25,360


421
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,760


422
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,480

<font color="

423
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:40,000


424
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,440
..and it really saw
their entry into the mainstream.

425
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,440
How are you doing, New York City?

426
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,200
CHEERING

427
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,840
Suddenly, Leto had access
to this huge, devoted fan base,

428
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,600
many of whom were
<font color="

429
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:13,520
As a teenager, I was very much so
a punk, Goth kid.

430
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,800
I had coloured hair,
I wore fishnets,

431
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,280
I wore black lipstick,
I wore black nail polish.

432
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,960
The scene was so supportive.

433
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,640
It was just a sense of...
<font color="

434
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,160
The first time I ever heard
Thirty Seconds To Mars

435
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,960
was on the radio,
and I was instantly hooked.

436
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,080
I was literally listening
to The Kill on repeat.

437
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,840
I saw Thirty Seconds To Mars
at the 99X X-Mas Ball.

438
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,920
<font color="

439
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960
The concert was absolutely amazing.

440
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,800
Oh, I was in heaven
when I saw Jared Leto onstage.

441
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,640
As a 14-year-old girl
with a little...

442
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,000
..with a little crush on him.

443
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,040
So, Thirty Seconds To Mars
gets offstage.

444
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,200
<font color="

445
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,040
They were allowing people
to get autographs and meet them.

446
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,040
I walked up to Jared Leto,

447
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,040
told him, "I'm a huge fan,"

448
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,720
and I held my shirt out
for him to sign,

449
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,880
hopefully on an arm
or maybe on the belly

450
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,000
<font color="
my shirt across my breasts.

451
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,600
And he told me,
"You have a nice rack."

452
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,880
And in that timeframe,

453
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,600
he asked his bodyguard to go ahead
and take me backstage.

454
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,400
He didn't even ask me
<font color="

455
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,440
He literally looked at his security
guard and said,

456
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,800
"Take her...take her back."

457
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,320
I was very short.

458
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,840
I had braces.

459
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,280
It was very obvious
that I was a teenager.

460
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,320
My mother,
<font color="

461
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,280
was like, "That's my daughter.

462
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,080
"She's fucking 14."

463
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,320
And he looked at her and said,

464
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,960
"It's still a nice rack."

465
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,680
We didn't get to stay and finish
the concert.

466
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,320
My mom took me home.

467
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,520
<font color="

468
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,280
to have to go through.

469
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,760
You should not be touching my
breasts in any way, shape or form.

470
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,640
I was 14,

471
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,200
and that was supposed to be
a sense of community for me.

472
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,720
Things like that aren't supposed
<font color="

473
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,120
I'm going to cry.

474
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,240
Things like that aren't supposed
to happen when you...

475
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,400
..are supposed to be enjoying
yourself.

476
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,440
Thank you.

477
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,800
It really altered my life
in a real way.

478
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,600
<font color="
altogether.

479
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,880
I stopped listening
to that kind of music.

480
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,400
I really felt like I had been
taken advantage of.

481
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,480
What turns me on?

482
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,360
I would like to answer that
by asking a question.

483
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,000
<font color="

484
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,320
We wanted to speak to insiders
from the mid-2000s.

485
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,720
So, people who had spent time
with Leto,

486
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,520
who had worked with him
in the context of his band.

487
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,800
So, we contacted
hundreds of people -

488
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,000
<font color="
tour staff, even bandmates...

489
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,760
..and it was really, really hard
getting people to talk to us.

490
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,960
A lot of them were scared
to speak out.

491
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,560
Many had signed NDAs.

492
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,040
But then, eventually,
we found Simon.

493
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,040
<font color="

494
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,680
Hi, Simon. Hi.

495
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,600
Jessica. Thank you so much
for coming all this way.

496
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,320
OK, let me introduce you to...
the lurkers over here.

497
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaking to me anonymously -

498
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,800
is that for fear of repercussions?

499
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,280
<font color="
at all, but...

500
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,080
..I do want to do my part.

501
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,040
Would I want to tell my daughter...

502
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,600
..that I didn't stand up
for what was right

503
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,280
when I got an opportunity
to say something?

504
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,640
Let's talk about
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505
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,360
I worked with the band
for about a decade.

506
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,960
Jared was generally very focused

507
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,720
and hard-working. Very demanding.

508
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,080
He had a clear vision
of what he wanted.

509
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,880
During one period of time,

510
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,520
<font color="
equipment in a spare room

511
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,280
in the house, with just a desk

512
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,280
and a few chairs,

513
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,080
a microphone,

514
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,080
a couple of packing blankets.

515
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,160
He would be texting with girls.

516
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,360
There would probably,
typically on a given day,

517
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,000
<font color="
that might stop by.

518
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,600
It wasn't uncommon
that he would go let them in,

519
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,560
sort of point to a chair
for them to sit down,

520
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,840
and possibly ignore them
for about 10, 15 minutes.

521
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,440
He might make a sort of rude remark.

522
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,920
<font color="
"You're a dirty girl, aren't you?"

523
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,120
The feeling...

524
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,920
..was he was
trying to assert control,

525
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,960
trying to assert a sense of power.

526
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,600
There was one particular instance
that I clearly remember,

527
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800
<font color="
by her parents.

528
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,680
This particular girl
was very young-looking, and...

529
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,040
..Jared would have been
in his early 30s.

530
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,520
They took off to the bedroom.

531
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,440
When they returned,
and she wanted a photo with him

532
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,120
<font color="
a kiss on the cheek,

533
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,640
he stopped her...

534
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,360
..and wanted to make sure
that the photo looked like

535
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,880
a sort of spontaneous
platonic meeting.

536
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,880
At that point, she had to contact
her parents to come pick her up.

537
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,080
<font color="

538
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,120
She just kind of sat there.

539
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,920
The feeling in the air,

540
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,040
it felt like shame
and embarrassment.

541
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,640
I just remember being really moved
by it.

542
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,680
So what did you think

543
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,560
when the allegations started
<font color="

544
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,160
I remember reading the articles

545
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,480
and then coming across a video

546
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,320
that a young woman had made,
speaking of her time with Jared.

547
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,520
I remember her reciting some of
the things Jared would say to her.

548
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,400
There was no question about it,

549
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,760
<font color="

550
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,640
This is his language.

551
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,680
Could you show me the video
you're talking about?

552
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040
ON VIDEO: I first met him when I had

553
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,160
just turned 17 and he was 33.

554
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,240
I met him after
a Thirty Seconds To Mars concert.

555
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,520
<font color="
from just, like, flirting,

556
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,960
to saying things
of a more sexual nature.

557
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,440
He literally started calling me
Lolita,

558
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,040
telling me he was old enough
to be my father.

559
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,840
He knew I was 17.

560
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,560
<font color="
like kiss my neck,

561
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,680
touch my chest, take my hand,
put it on top of his pants.

562
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,400
One time I was backstage with him,

563
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,520
he grabbed my face
and made me promise

564
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,560
that I wasn't going to tell anyone.

565
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,800
<font color="
describing feel familiar to you?

566
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,480
It's uncanny, the things she says
about how he would behave with her.

567
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,240
It's upsetting. It's disturbing.

568
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,560
It completely brings back memories
of what I witnessed.

569
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,240
His band was having a concert.

570
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,360
<font color="

571
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,920
And we were backstage.

572
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,040
I was 17.

573
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,160
It wasn't actually Jared Leto
who approached me.

574
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,760
He had sent an acquaintance of his,
probably in his 40s.

575
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,880
He was a comedian.
And he told me, you know,

576
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,640
<font color="
from where he is over there,

577
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,320
"and he was interested
in getting your number."

578
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,480
I didn't actually meet him
at that venue at that time.

579
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,800
That would come later.

580
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,000
You know, most young girls saw him
<font color="

581
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,640
You know, very handsome,
great features.

582
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Professionally, very good at what
he did as an actor, as a singer.

583
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,920
He was a very magnetic person.

584
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,880
At that age,
I had just been coming out of

585
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,920
<font color="
in adolescence.

586
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,640
I had always been very, very shy.
Painfully shy.

587
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,840
I'd blush a lot,
I'd trip over my words.

588
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,640
It was very validating

589
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,480
that someone like him would be
interested in me at all.

590
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,880
<font color="

591
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,400
there had been some text exchanges.

592
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,560
He had invited me to meet him at
a place called the Chateau Marmont,

593
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,480
which is right there
in the main area of Hollywood.

594
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,800
I had a friend with me at the time,
so he said,

595
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,600
<font color="

596
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,640
It's a very kind of secluded,
upscale place where they cater to

597
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,840
a lot of A-list celebrities,

598
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,160
so it was intimidating at first
going in there.

599
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,880
He was at a table with friends.

600
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,280
He kind of waved us over,
<font color="

601
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,680
and just having some general banter
about things.

602
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,280
We had kind of drifted
into the realm to talk about

603
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,880
the age of consent.

604
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,760
I had mentioned to him
that my dad was in law enforcement,

605
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,640
<font color="
that, here in California,

606
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,680
the age of consent is 18.

607
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,480
He just kind of shrugged it off like
it wasn't a huge concern for him.

608
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,640
And he knew at that point
that you were 17?

609
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,880
Oh, yes. He did know. Yeah.

610
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,280
<font color="

611
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,600
that they were
about to head back to his house.

612
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,480
So, we'd walked in the door

613
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,720
and I remember immediately,
off to the side,

614
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:52,520
there were these two really distinct
statues from the Clockwork Orange.

615
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,920
<font color="
They were two females,

616
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,360
and he had them arranged
in, like, a very sexual position.

617
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,400
He had shown us
where his bedroom was.

618
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,560
We had gone in,
we were sitting on the bed with him.

619
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,040
And so, he suggested to my friend,

620
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,120
<font color="
while her and I hang out."

621
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,240
That is when things had turned
sexual,

622
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,840
when my friend was
in the other room.

623
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,920
So there was probably, I would say,

624
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,320
about three or four times
<font color="

625
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,520
There was one time in particular
where I had gone over,

626
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,320
I let him know that I was there.

627
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,480
He opened the door
and he had told me

628
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,880
that he was in the middle
of some sort of interview.

629
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,680
<font color="

630
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,680
..I went down the hallway
into his bedroom

631
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,880
and he had made a comment of,

632
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,880
"By the time I get back, I would
like your clothes to be off."

633
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,360
So, he had gone out,
finished the interview.

634
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,440
<font color="
and he said,

635
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,400
when he noticed
that I was undressed,

636
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,680
something to the effect
of, "Brave little girl."

637
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,920
It was this theme that he kind of

638
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,880
stuck with, wanting to see me
as a younger girl.

639
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,840
<font color="
"I would like you to call me Daddy,"

640
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,240
and it was either, "and pretend to
be A little girl or MY little girl."

641
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,400
I had so little exposure
to anything sexual, really,

642
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,880
at that time as a teenager.

643
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,920
Was this what, you know, is expected

644
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,440
<font color="
with somebody older?

645
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,760
Is this what they say,
is this what they do?

646
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,360
Just wondering if it was normal.

647
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,880
As time went on,
I realised more and more

648
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,120
how scary that really was,

649
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,800
being that age and being
<font color="

650
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,560
There is no well-adjusted man
in his 30s...

651
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:41,080
..who's going to look at a teenager
and think,

652
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,040
you know,
"Wow, she would be a great partner."

653
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,880
The only reason to approach somebody
like that

654
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,280
<font color="
they are.

655
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,600
Let's talk about the lyrics.

656
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,240
You can probably guess
which lyrics I'm going

657
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,200
to pick out of Up In The Air.
I'll be...

658
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,520
Oh, I don't know. Surprise me.

659
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,240
<font color="
so tight

660
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:06,880
"with love, love, love."

661
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,160
Yeah. Quite erotic. Is it?

662
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,800
Um, tell us a little bit more...

663
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,760
It's funny that you would take it
that way.

664
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,800
<font color="
if that's not what it is.

665
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,200
Well, I think -
what is it they say? -

666
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,960
um, everything is about sex

667
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,480
except for sex.

668
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,280
Sex is about power.

669
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,640
In the late 2000s,
Jared actually took a break

670
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,440
<font color="
Thirty Seconds To Mars.

671
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,200
They were really gaining
a massive fanbase across Europe.

672
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,360
It's from this period that
we noticed a lot of videos online

673
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,840
of Leto inviting young girls
up onstage.

674
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,960
<font color="

675
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,600


676
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,320
AUDIENCE SINGS

677
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,200
ON PHONE: Hello?
Oh, hi, Brad.

678
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,760
It's Jessica from the BBC.
How are you doing?

679
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,120
I'm good. How are you? I'm good.

680
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,680
<font color="
To Mars around this time,

681
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,360
and he agreed to speak with me

682
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,240
about his experience
of working with Leto.

683
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,080
At the time I was working for them,

684
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,800
they were a very big band, you know,

685
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,120
uh, headlining arenas in lots
<font color="

686
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,240
What was the atmosphere like
on tour?

687
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,080
Very tense.

688
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,840
I've been on the road
since I was a teenager

689
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,960
and Jared is one of the worst people

690
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,760
I've ever worked for,
in any way, shape or form.

691
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,200
<font color="

692
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,320
Give me a hug.
It's been a long time.

693
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,560
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

694
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,920
Good to see your face.

695
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,200
We've met before.

696
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,680
Yeah, I remember, of course.
How could I forget?

697
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,160
CROWD SCREAMS

698
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,280
<font color="

699
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,720
No. I'm joking, I'm joking.

700
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,360
Of course I remember you.
You're beautiful.

701
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,040
Did anyone on the crew feel
uncomfortable about

702
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,520
the way Jared was interacting
with female fans?

703
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,480
No-one enjoyed watching that
<font color="

704
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,240
if he ever asked anyone to get

705
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,560
a phone number
or anything like that.

706
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,960
I think everyone thought
that the age gap was way too big.

707
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,200
And what sort of age range
were these girls, do you think?

708
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,600
Teens.

709
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,600
<font color="
Come over here. With the pink hair.

710
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,000
Pink hair, pink hair,
pink hair, pink hair.

711
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,720
Pink. Pink. Pink hair.

712
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,560


713
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,360


714
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,040


715
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,240
INAUDIBLE

716
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,360
<font color="
of the fans to be brought backstage?

717
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,280
I remember
at least one or two incidents

718
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,240
of girls coming onstage
for the final song

719
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:38,160
and...crew members being
instructed to,

720
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,040
you know, grab those girls

721
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,640
<font color="
after the show.

722
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,920
And he would talk to them
in his dressing room

723
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,560
and...I couldn't tell you
what happened from there.

724
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,880
Was there anything else

725
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,000
crew members were asked to do
<font color="

726
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,840
Uh, whenever they would play cities

727
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,760
that had a lot of modelling
agencies, like Milan

728
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,760
or Berlin, Paris etc,

729
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,360
crew members were instructed
to call up the modelling agencies

730
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,360
and offer free tickets
<font color="

731
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,600
They would give all of the models

732
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,600
VIP passes and they would have
a room backstage for them.

733
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,720
I know that people involved in that

734
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,400
did not particularly enjoy
having to do that,

735
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,040
because it was all...
<font color="

736
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,880
calling up a modelling agency
and saying, "We only want

737
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,160
"your female models," is
a little bit uncomfortable.

738
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,200
And who requested this?

739
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,240
That was direct from Jared.

740
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,280
I moved to London in 2013.

741
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,560
I went to Elite Models.

742
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,120
<font color="

743
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,840
who told me that
Thirty Seconds To Mars had put out

744
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,960
an invitation that we could go
and see the show

745
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,720
and then there was also
a VIP meet-up afterwards

746
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,400
that we could go to.

747
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,120
<font color="

748
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,000
It was a good concert, I remember.

749
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,560
Somehow the assistant got to me
and asked if I wanted to go

750
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,760
to an afterparty
at Shoreditch House.

751
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,480
And I remember thinking to myself,
"I've never been there.

752
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,600
<font color="
I want to see what it is."

753
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,080
So we were eight people,
mostly just women, and then Jared.

754
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,840
I remember going to the bathroom
and when I came out,

755
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,920
he was standing, like,
in the corridor.

756
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,280
He says something and it gets me
<font color="

757
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,560
And then he...says, "No,"

758
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,400
and then I lie and I say, "I'm 17."

759
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,960
At the time, I'm 19.

760
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,320
I just remember
that I felt the need to say

761
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,240
that I'm younger than I am.

762
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,320
He said, "Age is just a number

763
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,960
<font color="

764
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,920
I remember speaking to the
assistant, who was saying

765
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,200
that there was the next place
to go to.

766
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,360
It was in a hotel.

767
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,760
I was a bit drunk
and my phone was dying.

768
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,680
So I was saying,
<font color="

769
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,480
"How am I going to get there?"

770
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,160
She kept, like, pushing and saying,
"It's really easy.

771
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,680
"It's right over there."

772
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:01,480
The assistant is a woman,
so I trusted her.

773
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,560
I get into the hotel room.

774
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,680
<font color="

775
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,040
And then I see that it's just him.

776
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,240
"Weren't there supposed to be
other people?"

777
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,640
And I think he just says,
"No, it's just you and I."

778
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,080
Then I'm sat there and saying,
"OK, well, my phone is dying,

779
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,560
<font color="
from here."

780
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,160
So I ask him
if he has a phone charger.

781
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,000
"No, I don't."

782
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,400
"OK.
I also don't have any cash left.

783
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,720
"Could I get some cash
to get a cab home?"

784
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,640
<font color="

785
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,760
I was sat on a chaise longue
kind of thing.

786
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,880
So I was kind of like, thinking to
myself, "Could I just sleep here?"

787
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,440
I ask him,
"Can I just sleep here, then?"

788
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,880
And then he just goes,

789
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,680
<font color="

790
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,240
"you're going to wake up
with a dick in your ass."

791
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,560
And I think I ask him, like,
"What did you say?"

792
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,640
And he says this a few times.
"If you're going to sleep here,

793
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,080
"you're going to wake up
<font color="

794
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,760
At that point, I was like,
"I'm not safe here.

795
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,640
"OK, I need to get out."

796
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,760
I went to the bathroom first,

797
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,600
and then, from there,
I was closer to the door.

798
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,960
When I got out of the hotel,
<font color="

799
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,280
I was angry at myself
for going into the hotel room.

800
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:04,680
I came home at, I think,
six in the morning.

801
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,960
I texted my then best friend.

802
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,280
And she was saying,
"He was threatening sexual assault.

803
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,440
<font color="

804
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,920
And in my head, I was like, "Nah.

805
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,240
"I put myself in that situation.

806
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,400
"He didn't touch me.
It was probably a misunderstanding.

807
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,160
"I was probably the only one."

808
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,480
But I'm probably not the only one.

809
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,800
And it's probably been a lot worse.
<font color="

810
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,680
Do you feel like you were tricked
into going to that hotel?

811
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,440
Throughout this whole night,

812
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,640
I told the assistant all the reasons

813
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,960
why I shouldn't go
to the next place.

814
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,160
And every time that I had an excuse
for not going,

815
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,480
<font color="

816
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,520
The assistant knew what to say
to lure me into his hotel room.

817
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,240
It seemed that it was planned out.

818
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:12,280
"Never have I ever hooked up
with a fan on tour."

819
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,200
Oh! Really? Yeah. Yeah.

820
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,800
CHEERING

821
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,000
<font color="

822
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,920
to procure women for Jared
in this way?

823
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,720
BRAD: I don't think anyone
liked being involved,

824
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,800
but it's also the kind of camp
where I think everyone

825
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,120
is slightly fearful for their job

826
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,080
<font color="
to anything.

827
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,760
He's not really someone
you want to fuck with.

828
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,000
SIMON: He had a lot of people around

829
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,120
that just were constantly jumping
through hoops

830
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,960
for him and doing anything
<font color="

831
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:06,480
There's sort of a secret rule

832
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,000
that you don't talk about what the
creative talent does in Hollywood.

833
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,560
There's a general sense
of just turning a blind eye.

834
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,440
Not a single person spoke up.

835
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,880
There were not only just men
<font color="

836
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,360
These dozens of people

837
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,960
who were travelling with him,
touring with him.

838
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,840
Not a single one said anything

839
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:44,760
to myself about looking out for him
or being concerned

840
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,320
about how young I looked
<font color="

841
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,960
Nobody said anything.

842
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,480
An enormous part of everything

843
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,320
that we're talking about is money.

844
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,200
In Hollywood, in music,

845
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,120
there's a superstructure.

846
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,920
There's layers
and layers of people around

847
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,800
<font color="
to say and do nothing -

848
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,920
assistants, manager, lawyer...

849
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,560
..and an unfortunate reality
with these kinds of stories is

850
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:25,120
that it is not uncommon
for sources to be silenced.

851
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,360
Everyone has a vested interest
<font color="

852
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,800
Um, it's about two years
after I met him,

853
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,040
I got a call from Jared.

854
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,400
From what I recall,

855
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,840
he said his lawyer was concerned
about his relationships with women.

856
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,040
Uh, he kind of, like, chuckled,

857
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,760
<font color="
and said that he...

858
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,800
..uh, that his lawyer wants to have
all the women in his life sign NDAs.

859
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,400
I mean, I didn't feel comfortable
with it, like, right away,

860
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,320
but I was willing to, like,
look at it.

861
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,200
<font color="
present and future.

862
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,920
It covered things that I would have
said in the past.

863
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,680
"Commencing on the date on which
my association with you began,

864
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,280
"I hereby acknowledge and agree
that a confidential

865
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,920
<font color="
between you and me."

866
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,280
It didn't seem right being able
to be held liable

867
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,680
for something that I had done
previously,

868
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,840
before I even knew
I wasn't allowed to speak about him.

869
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,720
It seemed like a really great way
<font color="

870
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,720
I never signed it.

871
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,760
I made an excuse the first time, and
then just didn't respond after that.

872
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,400
How has it gotten this far

873
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,600
without this becoming
a larger scandal?

874
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:07,200
People knew about it in Los Angeles
and in Hollywood.

875
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,200
<font color="

876
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,680
to believe the allegations
about him?

877
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,440
Is it because they believe
what he's accused of isn't that bad?

878
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,520
Is it just because they've met him

879
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,080
and think he's charming
and fun and cool?

880
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,840
<font color="

881
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,360
Three women, after they spoke to me
for my article,

882
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,480
asked me to retract their testimony

883
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,560
because they were pursuing
legal action against him.

884
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,240
I'm not sure what came
of the legal action.

885
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:45,240
<font color="
case in the public domain thus far.

886
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,560
It's been a year since
the Air Mail article was published,

887
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,080
and since then,
Leto has been in two major movies.

888
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:00,240
Most recently, he played Skeletor
in Masters Of The Universe.

889
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,160
<font color="
have announced

890
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,520
that they're going on tour in 2027.

891
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,440
So we have no idea what the impact
of our investigation

892
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,920
is going to be because, honestly,
it seems Leto's career

893
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,760
has been unaffected
<font color="

894
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,080
Seeing him continue
to do whatever he wants to do

895
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,160
and get accolades for it
is pretty infuriating,

896
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,360
because he's left a trail

897
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,360
of emotional destruction
for a lot of young women.

898
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,560
<font color="
like,

899
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,360
why...why are you supporting a man
like that?

900
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,600
How can you support a man like that?

901
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,080
So do you think he thought
that he'd get away with it?

902
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,400
Well, he has. Right?
He HAS gotten away with it.

903
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,600
<font color="

904
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,840
Um...apparently he's been doing it.

905
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,200
Apparently people know about it.

906
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,560
So, by all means,
I think he has gotten away with it.